Re: Rasicm

[SultanOfSwing]

On Oct 18, 10:35 am, "will_s" <willsjunkrem...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "SultanOfSwing" <aslazr...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
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> > On Oct 17, 12:47 pm, "will_s" <willsjunkrem...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> "SultanOfSwing" <aslazr...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
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> >> > On Oct 17, 10:40 am, "will_s" <willsjunkrem...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> "SultanOfSwing" <aslazr...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
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> >> >> > On Oct 16, 11:40 am, "will_s" <willsjunkrem...@optusnet.com.au>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> Why is it that the monkey taunts against Symonds considered racist
> >> >> >> ?
>
> >> >> >> Well the thing is they targeted the only "black" player in the
> >> >> >> Australian
> >> >> >> camp and this has led to the claim that it was a racist gesture.
>
> >> >> >> Now I dont believe it was meant as a racist attack but just meant
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> an
> >> >> >> attack to show their displeasure at a player and to ridicule him .
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> think
> >> >> >> political correctness it a a pain in the arse .
>
> >> >> >> Now when India and Sri Lanka tour I just hope their supporters dont
> >> >> >> take
> >> >> >> offence with the Australian crowds reactions.
>
> >> >> > Does this imply that there may be racist taunts directed at
> >> >> > Indian and Sri Lankan players and supporters during the
> >> >> > forthcoming Indian and Sri Lankan tours of Australia? If so,
> >> >> > that's rather stupid, since poor crowd reactions in India
> >> >> > (that too, only from a section of the crowd in Vadodara)
> >> >> > doesn't mean that Indian players should put up with any
> >> >> > sort of racist taunts in Australia.
>
> >> >> So Indian players shouldnt have to put up with any sort of racist
> >> >> taunts
> >> >> but
> >> >> its ok for Australian players to suffer ?
>
> >> > I never said that it's OK for Australian players to suffer from
> >> > racist
> >> > abuse in India. IMO, racism should unequivocally condemned
> >> > in any sport.
>
> >> >> And yes, without a doubt their will be some drunken idiot who hurls
> >> >> racist
> >> >> abuse at the Indians but the main difference will be that security
> >> >> will
> >> >> be
> >> >> pretty quick to grab and eject him from the ground
>
> >> > Were the Australian stewards prompt in ejecting those who
> >> > chanted "kaffir boet" during South Africa's tour of Australia
> >> > in 2005-06? Cricket Australia officially has a "zero-tolerance
> >> > policy towards racist abuse, with security staff ordered to
> >> > eject any perpetrators from the ground and heavy fines for
> >> > racist behaviour." But how successfully has it been
> >> > implemented in the past? There will always be skeptics,
> >> > and you can count me among them.
>
> >> A big discussion happened with this. Most Australians wouldnt even know
> >> what "kaffiir boet" meant or that it was a racist taunt. The belief was
> >> that originally it was an ex-pat Sth African who said this and was picked
> >> up
> >> in the press and after that a few fools uttered the same comment again.
> >> As
> >> far as I know in the last Test nothing happened . And dont worry,
> >> security
> >> or police have not the slighest quarm in usihng strong arm tactics in
> >> dealing with troublemakes at the cricket.
>
> >> > Anyways, while the Symonds controversy continues, an
> >> > internal report says that racial abuse is prevalent in
> >> > Australian cricket. Under the heading 'A Summer of
> >> > Discontent', the report says about racism in Australian cricket:
>
> >> > "It is not surprising that Cricket Australia was highly
> >> > embarrassed by the racist taunts directed at visiting
> >> > cricketers during the 2005-06 international series, which led
> >> > to an International Cricket Council (ICC) investigation into the
> >> > behaviour of Australian crowds.
>
> >> > "The racist sledging of players by spectators started during
> >> > the Perth Test in December 2005, when some South African
> >> > players were referred to as 'kaffirs' by a small section of
> >> > spectators in the crowd. Similar taunting was also reported by
> >> > the South African players in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.
> >> > Members of the Sri Lankan team were subjected to calls of
> >> > 'black c--' from spectators at the Adelaide Oval during a
> >> > One Day International match on Australia Day.
>
> >> > "Players haven't been the only targets. The International Cricket
> >> > Council's regional anti-corruption and security chief, John
> >> > Rhodes, was punched by a drunken spectator at Melbourne's
> >> > Telstra Dome after being identified as South African."
>
> >> > Under another heading 'Deep Concerns Remain', the report says,
> >> > "For racism to have infected Australia's national summer pastime
> >> > and a sport long regarded as one of the world's most 'civilised'
> >> > games is deeply concerning for a country that prides itself on
> >> > being fair-minded and multicultural."
>
> >> > It adds: "So too is a recent survey of cricket fans, which
> >> > indicates
> >> > opinion is divided on the contentious behaviour of Australian
> >> > crowds. Many seem to think there is no problem at all. A poll on
> >> > cricket website baggygreen.com.au found that 46 per cent of
> >> > 12,000 respondents believed crowd behaviour had been acceptable
> >> > during the 2005-06 summer season."
>
> >> > Then, it quotes Cricket Australia CEO James Sutherland as saying,
> >> > " I think it's embarrassing for Australian cricket that we are
> >> > put in
> >> > a position where this review has been implemented."
>
> >> > More in the URL below.
> >> > http://www.indianexpress.com/story/229276.html
>
> >> And what does the Indian Cricket Board do. They deny it happens ,
>
> >> And most of the story about Australian racism is just pure and utter
> >> bullshit. I have been going to the MCG Boxing Day Test for the last 10
> >> years
> >> and have not heard one inncident of racist taunts. I have also been to
> >> every
> >> ground in Australia for Tests ( excepting Brissie and Darwin ) and have
> >> not
> >> heard a racist taunt at these grounds either.
>
> > You're right, it may not have happened when you attended the
> > Boxing Day Test matches at MCG. But there have been other
> > incidents in the summer of 2005-06.
>
> > INCIDENTS AT GROUNDS IN 2005/06
> > 11-14 Dec: South African players complain of racial abuse during first
> > Test in Perth
> > 2-6 Jan: Andre Nel complains of racial abuse while fielding in third
> > Test in Sydney
>
> They would whinge abount anything
>
> > 10 Jan: South Africans again abused during warm-up for one-day game at
> > the Gabba, Brisbane; one spectator ejected
>
> They copped heaps of abuse yet I did not hear one.
>
> > 20 Jan: Spectator at Melbourne's Telstra Dome ejected after reportedly
> > punching an ICC official and accusing him of being South African
>
> This is bullshit. Police would arrest anyone that did that so it really
> makes the majority of your post crap.

The above incident is also mentioned in an Indian Express article.
"The International Cricket Council's regional anti-corruption and
security chief, John Rhodes, was punched by a drunken spectator
at Melbourne's Telstra Dome after being identified as South
African."
All the incidents that I have mentioned were cited in an article
on BBC Sport website. Are you suggesting that BBC Sport hosts
articles that contain "bullshit" and "crap"?

> > 26 Jan: Sri Lankans abused at Adelaide Oval; five spectators ejected
>
> > The incidents above are mentioned in the following article.
> > http://tinyurl.com/ysgjyg
>
> >> Without a doubt there has been some racist taunts and only a fool would
> >> deny
> >> that but the above comments have been really dragged out of proportion.
>
> >> btw: the term black c**ts is not racist. If we can be called white
> >> whatevers and it happens then you cant have it both ways.
>
> > Both terms are offensive all the same.
>
> fuck you are full of it
>
> the word nigger is considered racist but I just heard rap with the word
> nigger throughout the song .... and yes it was from an African-american

African-American rappers frequently use the word "nigger"
in their songs as a term of endearment for fellow
Afro-Americans. However, the default usage of the term
is considered racist.

> >> Bring all the shit forwartd that you can but the views of your fellow
> >> Indian
> >> posters just show what a racist place India is
>
> > The "shit" that you refered to are the contents of an Australian
> > government-backed report. The report titled "What's the Score?
> > A survey of cultural diversity and racism in Australian sport"
> > was released by Australia's Human Rights and Equal
> > Opportunity Commission (HREOC), not any Indian organization.
> > Also the views of a few Indian posters (I'm not sure whom you're
> > referring to) do not represent the views of India; in just the same
> > way as the views of Darkfalz do not represent the views of most
> > Australians.
>
> Surveys are not worth the paper they are printed on
>
> And if you want the facts...it was DL who used the term "black cunt"

It is a well-known fact that Darren Lehmann used that term
against the visiting Sri Lankans.